The Good Old Days: Weekend Poll

by: wheatmeister

July 6, 2013

good-old-daysThanks to commenter Jared for this suggestion.  Have you ever thought it would be easier to raise kids in a different era or do you think this is the best era of all?

Which era would you most like to raise children in?

  • Today - the era I live in. (58%, 46 Votes)
  • The 1950s - before the sexual revolution. (13%, 10 Votes)
  • The 1970s - before technology became so intrusive in our lives. (11%, 9 Votes)
  • The 1980s - living under the prosperous Reagan era. (6%, 5 Votes)
  • The 1990s - before the internet and cell phones became such a big thing. (6%, 5 Votes)
  • The 1910s - before any world wars, when Victorian ideals were still the norm. (4%, 3 Votes)
  • Pioneer days, a simple time hearing the words of the prophet directly. (1%, 1 Votes)
  • The 1880s to 1890s - living in Utah under Brigham Young. (1%, 0 Votes)

Total Voters: 79

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16 Responses to The Good Old Days: Weekend Poll

  1. lastlemming on July 6, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    In which of those periods was there no OCD or eating disorders? That’s the one I’d pick.

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  2. Marjorie Conder on July 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    I did raise kids in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s and it was much easier than what I see now. Some factors were whole neighborhoods full of kids and stay at home moms (no need for play dates) also everyone watched out for each other’s kids. It wasn’t nearly the “production” it is now to go anywhere. No carseats, and even seatbelts were not always used. the kids played in the back of the station wagon during long car trips, fewer allergies (I never heard of a kid allergic to peanuts) virtually no autism (I think we would have noticed) and likewise less infertility (I think we would have noticed that too) , and no GMO foods and on and on. .

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  3. Mike on July 6, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    I raised kids in the 1990-2010 decades. I was raised in the 1960-70s. I think it was far better for my kids. Maybe that was because my wife was really together and my mother, bless her heart, had serious physical and mental health issues. But oh, could she cook. (As I sit here wondering what is for dinner :)

    The difficulty with my childhood was that in general parents were not in touch. The previous generation worked shoulder to shoulder with each other all day long. Parents knew their kids without taking any extra effort. The grandparents lived down the street or across town. The whole teen age of rebellion thing is somewhat a product of modern times related to far less time spent together across generations coupled with rapid tech changes.

    We were the first generation left unsupervised. Parents assumed that we were not going to get involved in all of the sex, drugs, and violence that washed over society. But we did right under their noses and they were so clueless. Delete…..

    Today parents are extremely aware and frightened of the dangers and maybe even too much involved (helicoptering) But there are so many resources to help parents now. You can start at the bookstore or even the internet. And there is no shame going to a family therapist for a little tune up. The level of understanding of why people do what they do by professionals is tremendously increased in this time. I also see my generation being more supportive as grandparents than any previous generation.

    For LDS families the challenge is to realize that the Fortress Mormon mindset offers very little long term protection. Then to come to terms with the fact that there are so many good strong solid families out in the community who are not LDS or perhaps not even that religious and they have organized so many uplifting activities for youth and families.

    One of the best things we did raising our children was when we saw better opportunities for them outside the LDS church we took them. Non-LDS boy scouting and Sunday afternoon children’s orchestras come immediately to mind. Perhaps my children see the LDS faith as something far less than the all inclusive life-style of my time.They would never be caught alive or dead at BYU and they might be more inclined to marry outside the faith. But they are so far ahead of me in maturity and development at corresponding ages that I wonder how I ever made it.

    Every generation has their challenges. I see relatively smooth sailing into the future; unless economic conditions deteriorate severely. Just my opinion…

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  4. NewlyHousewife on July 6, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    I take the ever decreasing child death rate as a source of comfort, and the reason I would want to live now.

    Maybe the above commenter never heard about a peanut allergy because those were the “weirdos” who were home schooled, or simply died of a reaction before reaching school age.

    That and knowing I can have an abortion any time I need one without risking leaving my child parent-less is also a source of modern comfort (despite current political battles but I’m hoping those fail like previous ones before them).

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  5. Angie on July 6, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    Hooray penicillin and the Internet and free online college courses and public libraries and BYU devotional archives and Skype and world-wide knowledge and endless possibilities. I love raising kids right now! My kids are 11 and 10, and I am really looking forward to the next 10-15 years of their lives.

    My husband and I are both educators who work with teenagers, and we love the complexity and wonder of the world our kids are growing up in. I especially love that we can have post-1960’s conversations with our kids about race, gender, and history. I also love teaching my children about the realities of God and this crazy world we live in.

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  6. Geoff - A on July 7, 2013 at 6:38 AM

    Whenever we hear a church leader talk of the ever darkening world we wonder when it was better. There are so many things that are better now than they have ever been.

    One brother who referred to the ever darkening world agreed that yes now was better in most ways but gay marriage was darkening the future. I pointed out that in my lifetime, church leaders have always had a similar issue, it has been racism, then birth control was going to destroy families, then inter racial marriage.

    I can not comprehend how some can balance all the advantages we now have, against gay marriage (which I also see as an advantage), and conclude the world is getting worse.

    Perhaps some are optimists and some are pessimists?

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  7. Casey on July 7, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    I chose the future, where everybody wears silver jumpsuits and the words of the prophet are implanted as thoughts directly into your mind (provided you subscribe to the LDS Mindwave channel. AME’s is really good too).

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  8. Casey on July 7, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    I meant AMC, though I’m sure AME will have great ThoughtSermons from the 22nd Century version of TD Jakes.

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  9. mh on July 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Brigham young died in 1877. 1890 would have been the John Taylor/Wilford Woodruff era.

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  10. Stunned on July 7, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Newly housewife, I’m guessing you haven’t considered the 50+ million CHILDREN killed by abortion in the USA since the early 70’s in your praise for lower infant death rates.
    Because heaven forbid that you should ever have a child that might inconvenience you.
    We live in an evil, evil world, and we are blind to it.

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  11. Brian on July 7, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Having a gay son, no time like the present. Would hate to think he would have to live a lie his whole life like so many that have gone before.

    Growing up in the church in the 1960s and early 1970s and being gay would have been pure hell, given the teachings of Kimball on the subject.

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  12. Casey on July 7, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    Such an evil world today, Stunned; it’s so much harder to legislate for others what they must do with their own bodies based on your personal, religiously-based beliefs about when personhood begins! Oh that we could return to the glorious day when women were seen primarily as baby-bearing vessels incapable of making such difficult personal decisions themselves!

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  13. NewlyHousewife on July 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    Stunned,

    I’m going to assume you were being sarcastic as your comment reeked of crazy. 50+ million? I need a citation on that. CHILDREN? Good G-d, I hope not. I gave birth to a 7lb baby, can’t image the 20+ pounds needed for a child.

    Also, abortion has been around since the dawn of time. The only difference is the mortality rate of women who have undergone them. Again, all the more reason to live in the present.

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  14. Stunned on July 7, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    55,772,015 Abortions in America Since Roe v. Wade in 1973

    That was from a quick Google search — there are numerous cites quoting the 50+ million statistic. Do you really believe a baby is not a child? I hope you are kidding? Are you LDS? If so, have you asked God how He feels about legalized abortion? If you are not LDS, nor religious, why are you commenting on Wheat and Tares, a blog with a religious title?

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  15. Geoff - A on July 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Stunned, are you aware that the abortion rate is not determined by whether abortion is legal but by the availability of sex education, birth control, and the cost of health care. They all reduce it. It is difficult to record how many abortions are done when they are illegal, so the graphs don’t show them.

    The teenage abortion rates in Utah for example are higher than Canada or Australia, or other developed countries. The quality of care for women who have abortions when they are illegal will obviously be very poor.

    The question of how early the abortion is performed is also relevant as to whether it is a viable individual or not. No funerals for spontaneous abortions of the age of most medical abortions, why?

    Is there a time when life was better than now? Crime rates lower, respect for women, and minorities increasing, standard of living never better. Houses didn’t have air conditioning (except for the very wealthy) until 20 years ago. Cars 40 years ago had as options heaters, and radios, now so many conveniences and safety features.

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  16. Brian on July 8, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    “If you are not LDS, nor religious, why are you commenting on Wheat and Tares, a blog with a religious title?”

    I can’t answer for anyone else. I am neither LDS (I resigned) nor religious, but I comment here because it honestly helps rid me of the demons that haunted me for 4+ decades as a member. The tone of discussion is generally accepting of those who have differing opinions.

    “If so, have you asked God how He feels about legalized abortion?”

    To me that is as helpful as asking him which religion is the right one. Sure, you have your answers from god and 7 billion (with a “b) people (earth’s population) less 14 million (total LDS members) plus 8 million (LDS inactive members) get different answers or no answers at all. So, how helpful is that really?

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