“We as Black People Don’t Have Respect for each other”

August 8, 2013
Charles Barkley, basketball analyst and former NBA star

Charles Barkley, basketball analyst and former NBA star

Charles Barkley was interviewed in the Dan Patrick Show this week where he discussed the recent racial comments made by Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Riley Cooper, as well as the Trayvon Martin verdict.  Barkley had some interesting views.

Ninety-five percent of black people who get killed, get killed by other black people.  I don’t see all these other black people–and I’ve been talking about this for years.  We as black people don’t have respect for each other.  We kill each other every single day.  To try to piggy-back on a young kid’s death and act like all white people hate us, all these people out there are bad, it’s a disgrace and a travesty.  It’s really about us as black people.  We’ve got to do much, much better.

Ninety-five percent of black people are killed by other black people, and I get so offended and upset when you get all these–I call them Uncle Tom, punk-ass brothers who get on the tv and the radio, and try to ride that racial hatred.  Man most white people don’t dislike black people.

And listen, George Zimmerman was racially profiling.  I want to make that perfectly clear.  George Zimmerman was racially profiling Trayvon Martin, and I’m sorry that young kid got killed.  But that case, and obviously the jury, I had no problem with the verdict.  That don’t mean George Zimmerman was right, I want to make that clear, I want to say that.  But I get so offended by all these sorry black people out there who want to make racial divide out there and act like–we as black people, we don’t have respect for each other.  We kill each other every single day and it’s a joke to me that they wanted to make such a big deal, acting like it was a crazy–it’s just a bad situation.

A lot of these people don’t have clean hands, Dan.  They don’t have clean hands.  Like I say, George Zimmerman was an idiot from the beginning, and I feel bad that young kid got killed.  But the verdict–the evidence was fair in my opinion, in my opinion–I always say that.  But I want to say, I want to make it clear.  But I just get so offended by some of these black people out there who want to–who profit, who like to get on radio and tv…  But listen, I want to give a shout out to Trayvon’s parents, and that one lawyer for George Zimmerman.  Those were the only three honorable people during that whole trial.”

You can see his entire comments in the interview below.  Comments?

http://www.nbcsports.com/football/nfl/barkley-youre-stupid-guy-my-family

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38 Responses to “We as Black People Don’t Have Respect for each other”

  1. Andrew S on August 8, 2013 at 5:52 AM

    speaking of “black-on-black crime,” this link might also be helpful

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/15/the-trayvon-martin-killing-and-the-myth-of-black-on-black-crime.html

    But there’s a huge problem with attempt to shift the conversation: There’s no such thing as “black-on-black” crime. Yes, from 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders, but that racial exclusivity was also true for white victims of violent crime—86 percent were killed by white offenders. Indeed, for the large majority of crimes, you’ll find that victims and offenders share a racial identity, or have some prior relationship to each other.

    What Shapiro and others miss about crime, in general, is that it’s driven by opportunism and proximity; If African-Americans are more likely to be robbed, or injured, or killed by other African-Americans, it’s because they tend to live in the same neighborhoods as each other. Residential statistics bear this out (PDF); blacks are still more likely to live near each other or other minority groups than they are to whites. And of course, the reverse holds as well—whites are much more likely to live near other whites than they are to minorities and African-Americans in particular.

    “Black-on-black crime” has been part of the American lexicon for decades, but as a specific phenomenon, it’s no more real than “white-on-white crime.” Unlike the latter, however, the idea of “black-on-black crime” taps into specific fears around black masculinity and black criminality—the same fears that, in Florida, led George Zimmerman to focus his attention on Trayvon Martin, and in New York, continue to justify Michael Bloomberg’s campaign of police harassment against young black men in New York City.

    Not saying that the black community cannot have serious conversations about a lot of issues, but I think the irony (or is it just a coincidence?) is that if we’re looking for any evidence that black folks don’t respect each other, it might be because of the constant internal criticism from folks like Barkley which, when the data is placed in context, is shown to be founded on faulty or incomplete or out-of-context data.

    And if I really wanted to get theoretical, I would say that internal group conflict from minority groups is a typical side effect of marginalization and oppression — in other words, to the extent that there is some advantage for trying to disassociate oneself from the marginalized group (especially by taking actions in solidarity with a privileged group instead), then one might do that.

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  2. Howard on August 8, 2013 at 7:25 AM

    According to Your black World Homicide rates for Blacks have declined dramatically. The offending rate for Blacks was 51 per 100,000 in 1991 and that rate has since dropped to 24 per 100,000 (BJS, 2011).

    But blacks comprise 13% of the population and are responsible for 59% of felony murders, 65% of drug murders, 50% of murders involving an argument, 56% of gun homicides, and 54% of murders with multiple offenders (BJS, 2011).

    Whites represent a majority (77.9% in 2012 according to US Census Bureau) of the American population and are responsible for 54% of murders involving an intimate partner, 59% of murders involving a family member, 55% of murders involving infants, 56% of murders involving elders, 54% of s*x related murders, 53% of gang related murders, 70% of workplace related murders, 55% of arson related murders, 80% of poison related murders, and 53% of murders involving multiple victims (BJS, 2011).

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  3. Will on August 8, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    Finally, some honest common sense talk from leader in the community. Way to go Charles Barkley.

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  4. skeptical sympathizer on August 8, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    Andrew S.,

    I’m not sure why “black-on-black crime” as a term is so objectionable. I never considered it any differently than if someone were to say “white-on-white crime”. It’s simply a statement of what the statistics say about the race of the perpetrator and of the victim. Of course there is such a thing as black-on-black crime! How silly to state that the term doesn’t have validity! (And I know you were quoting someone else, so I’m referring to that individual.)

    And of course the marginalization of a group has implications toward the violence/crime of said group. But ignoring that violence and crime is negligent when there is any talk of racial discrimination. The only way to move forward is to start with the actual facts, not the exaggeration of the victimization of one group and the exaggeration of the hatred of another group.

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  5. Justin on August 8, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    I’m not sure why “black-on-black crime” as a term is so objectionable.

    I’d say that it’s objectionable because it’s always been a white-man’s term — used as a way to “ignore” the fact that crimes are being committed. As though since it’s “black-on-black”, then we white-folk are justified in ignoring it. Whereas if it were something else [“black-on-[some other race]“], then we would need to “wake-up and pay attention”.

    Of course there is such a thing as black-on-black crime! How silly to state that the term doesn’t have validity!

    But it would be invalid if it’s being used to obscure the fact that all crime has a “[race]-to-[race]” bias — and it’s instead a term that is used by white people to be able to ignore crime happening among black people because, “Hey, they’re just doing it to themselves.”

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  6. Skeptical Sympathizer on August 8, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Okay, I see what you’re saying. I have never heard that term used as a justification to ignore crime–more as a way to counter the false perceptions fostered by the media about the prevalence of white-on-black crime. I still think a real look at today’s problems means a real look at the facts, whatever term might be considered politically correct at the moment.

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  7. Mormon Heretic on August 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    As Andrew mentioned above, it is rare for race to play a factor in a crime. So when George Zimmerman kills Trayvon Martin, of course it’s going to get media attention because it is so unusual.

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  8. Jared on August 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    When it comes to racial issues there is a lot to consider. I don’t know what to think of all the things I hear and read. But during the Zimmerman trial I was surprised to hear on the news that:

    Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against
    a white than vice versa

    I don’t know if this is accurate or not. I remember the footnote said this was from the FBI.

    Is there anyone who has researched black on white and white on black crime in modern America?

    I appreciate Andrew’s point about black on black crime.

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  9. Mormon Heretic on August 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    Jared, you seem to be fixated on this issue that blacks are more criminal than whites. If it is 39 times 0.00000000000000000001, then you get 0.00000000000000000039. Without context, 39 times higher sounds terrible, but in this hypothetical situation, it’s still pretty small probability. To me the more impressive numbers are that 94% of blacks kill blacks, and 86% of whites kill whites. This is saying that the LARGE majority of crimes are same race, not different race. The 39 times higher seems designed to inflame racial tensions, rather than properly explain crime. So I think you do a disservice when you say without backing it up “I don’t know if this is accurate or not. I remember the footnote said this was from the FBI.”

    We need context and better attribution, or it sounds like race baiting.

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  10. Howard on August 8, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    There are 7 as many whites as blacks in the US making black on white violence more likely than white on black violence.

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  11. Jared on August 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    MH-it is difficult to have a discussion about race! You’re reaction to my comment is an example–race baiting–what in the world are you saying?

    Fixated, another unwise and untrue term applied to my comment/question. I thought I was among internet friends for the most part, and could discuss things freely without being put down. You’re the last person I would have expected to come up with this attitude. So be it.

    If any one else knows something useful please let me know, I’m interested in knowing the facts about race in America–MH thinks that makes me a racist. That is like saying someone who wants to know about the LDS church is an anti-mormon.

    Howard-I agree, numbers need to be presented so they make sense. That’s why I made the comment and asked the question. What are the facts.

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  12. Howard on August 8, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Jared, yes I could see the concern in your comment. I briefly went looking for some facts and I found the “39 times” quote you referred to on several sites but wasn’t able to track that number back to it’s source. So is it accurate? I don’t know.

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  13. Andrew S on August 8, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    I guess the one thing I will say is this: whenever there is some fact — whatever it is mentioned — how that fact is contextualized and then explained will say a lot more about the person talking about the fact.

    When we speak about “black-on-black crime,” then we are saying that the racial background is a salient, important aspect. My first comment to the discussion counters that this is actually a racialist statement — we can instead explain things more in context of proximity, opportunity, availability, etc.,

    The racist response is the response that prioritizes race as the best “explanation” for any given piece of information, especially when there are a number of other possibilities.

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  14. Jared on August 8, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Andrew-

    I appreciate your willingness to participate in this post. I believe there needs to be a lot more open and frank discussion about race. I think fear is the basis for the lack of discussion.

    I was in the military in 1960’s. I was stationed in Alabama and Mississippi.Being from Utah I was astonished to see racism in full bloom. I was so disappointed with what I saw.

    Before the military, I drove a truck in LA for a few years. I traveled through Watts and East LA. I was there, up close and personal, for the Watt’s riots. I bring this up so readers can understand my background.

    I think we live in a far better times in regards to race than in other time in my life, even though there are still many problems.

    Zimmerman’s trial brought to the forefront the racial tensions that we saw during OJ Simpsons trial. The talking heads of the media tripped all over one another to build ratings.

    Early, in #8 I quoted some stats. I spent some time since then and found a possible source for what I heard during the Zimmerman trial.

    Interracial Crime

    Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

    Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

    Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

    Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

    Source
    http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

    Disclaimer–I don’t know much about this subject and leave to the reader to make up their own mind. For me, I am interested in learning more, in knowing the truth about the challenges modern America faces and how best to address them.

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  15. Andrew S on August 8, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    re 14,

    Jared,

    Are you aware that that Color of Crime document is published by the New Century Foundation, a white supremacist group (well, actually, its founder simply describes it as white separatist) with funding from the Pioneer Fund, a group dedicated to advancing the study of heredity and human difference?

    The main thing I would point out is that when you raise those stats, you’re focusing on race, and also focusing on a document that focuses on race (e.g., “color” of crime) from a group that focuses on race and has a basic agenda that races are better of separated.

    In contrast, we might look instead at how socioeconomic status plays with criminal incidences, and then look at disparities in socioeconomic status among different groups. We could look at social factors and institutional factors rather than, say, racial factors.

    That’s what I was getting at with contextualization and what it says about the person raising it up. Personally, when I see statistics like the ones you mention…when you talk about the “challenges modern America faces and how best to address them,” I think of a system that is inequitable economically and has poor economic distribution especially against historically disenfranchised groups and minority…and I think that the challenge modern America faces is with that disparity…I see the way best to address them is to decrease those socioeconomic disparities.

    In contrast, a group like the New Century Foundation would say that the challenges modern America faces are challenges of having too many minorities, or of minorities intermingling with white folks. Its suggestions about how best to address that is going to be different.

    That very different focus, I would say, is racialist at best, racist at worst. Of all the possible explanations, folks like the New Century Foundation use race as the basic explanation.

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  16. hawkgrrrl on August 8, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Speaking of the socioeconomic factors, I’d expect to see the true correlation in the lower income brackets, meaning that those who have more financial problems and less reliable social support are most at risk to commit crimes, regardless their race. There also seems to be a culture of “honor” that arises in poverty in which personal slights are blown out of proportion and fear rules the day.

    As for Charles Barclay, I find him to be a talking head with reductionist logic in most of his commentary. Quotable, but simplistic. But he was a pretty good baller if a hothead.

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  17. Mormon Heretic on August 8, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Jared,

    You are among internet friends, but I freely admit that I don’t like biased questions, and as a friend I’m going to let you know when I find these questions as biased. I remember that you posted nearly an identical question on an earlier post on race, and I think the question has an assumption that is not a fair assumption: that blacks are more violent. For not knowing much about this subject, you sure seem to know more than your disclaimer.

    But once again, even if we are to take your statistics at face value, remember that according to Andrew’s numbers, just 6 of 100 crimes show white on black crime, and just 14 of 100 crimes show black on white crimes. (And that’s making the faulty assumption that asians, Native Americans etc aren’t even involved.) So for all the audacity of the 770,000 interracial crimes, if we assume that black and white interracial crime is equal (which is a bad assumption), then 10% of all violent crimes are interracial. (This is just bad math, but it is simple and it is here to make a point.)

    So if there are 770,000 violent interracial crimes, that means that there are 6,930,000 same race violent crimes all committed by same race assailants. 770K is a scare tactic–the nearly 7 million violent crimes are 9 times worse by comparison.

    So, I hope that helps educate you that you shouldn’t use scare tactics to continue to race bait that interracial crime is disproportionately higher for blacks than whites. The fact of the matter is that well over 90% of violent crimes are committed by same race assailants.

    So what are we going to do about all this white on white crime? We need members of the white community to speak up like Charles Barkley does with the black community. 7 million violent crimes is 7 million too many, whether the assailants are white or black (or asian or gay or Mormon or Republican or whatever.)

    I think that Andrew makes an excellent point: the problem with crime is too often blamed on race when we should look at other factors–namely economic status. Much of the drug crime is associated with violent crime, and it is disproportionately associated with poorer people. Poor blacks as well as poor whites and poor asians and poor (name the ethnic group) commit these opportunistic crimes. Our society is as much segregated by economic status as by race, and I think this is a better explanation for crime statistics than race. When we end up racial profiling, we make stupid mistakes like George Zimmerman did, and Barkley is 100% right for what he said about Zimmerman’s misguided racial profiling. It is also why I feel the statistics you cite aren’t helpful in this discussion of race and crime.

    I am sorry if I come on strong about what I see as racial discrimination, but I don’t like it when people appear to be justifying racism, or implying that blacks or arabs or (ethnic group) are more violent/bad, etc.

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  18. Jared on August 8, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    I read over all the comments and appreciate the thoughts expressed. I am interested in learning more about the subject because it isn’t going away.

    I wasn’t aware that The Color of Crime was published by a white supremacist group. Today is the first time I’ve heard of them.

    MH-you’re too smart to get so narrowed minded on this topic. I hope you will view my questions and comments as coming from someone who is trying to live the golden rule. If it turns out that the stats on black crime are true, it provides a place to begin, a place for our leaders to say this isn’t acceptable and bring to bear the power of community to stop it. If on the other hand, it is false, then that is unacceptable, and needs to be exposed as a lie. In my opinion, the media are not doing a good job informing the public about what is really happening. That is a whole other subject.

    Since Zimmerman, I’ve been learning more about leaders in the black community. Ben Carlson is a very interesting individual. What I know about him so far indicates he is a leader who appeals to all races. Leaders like Sharpton and Jackson don’t appear to bring people together, they divide and might even be labeled black supremacist.

    We need leaders like Martin Luther King to bring the power of goodness and reason together to heal and bind up the racial tensions that appear to be growing once again. President Obama is in a powerful position to do that if he will.

    I agree with hawkgrrrl about proverty being a pivitol force behind crime for all races, but it doesn’t fully explain it.

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  19. Jared on August 8, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Andrew-I reread your comments. What you have to say on this subject carries a lot of weight with me. Once again, I appreciate your willingness to participate. In fact, if you’ve written anything about your views on the Zimmerman trial, Ben Carlson, and President Obama I would be interested.

    I have a vivid memory of being in Mobile, Al. I was shipping out to Nam with a group soldiers and we stopped for lunch. The black soldiers stayed on the bus. I asked why. They said they couldn’t eat there because it was for whites only. I couldn’t believe it. Here they are, willing to fight in Nam for their country but couldn’t eat with the rest of us.

    Times have changed for the better, but I worry that missteps and misunderstanding could create new frontiers of racism in our future.

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  20. Mormon Heretic on August 8, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    Jared, who’s narrow minded? Why are you fixated on the 10% of interracial crimes, and not on the 90% of same race crimes? You’ll get more bang for the buck by concentrating on the bigger problem (7 million), rather than the smaller problem (770K).

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  21. Andrew S on August 8, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Jared,

    I probably wouldn’t have written anything about the Zimmerman trial in specific, or Ben Carlson, or President Obama. I don’t think the people who didn’t already understand would get it if I said it…and the people who already understand don’t need me saying it again.

    I would just want to say that racism is more than an explicitly “whites only” lunch stop.

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  22. Will on August 9, 2013 at 7:04 AM

    MH,

    If your so convinced (I am assuming you are white) there is not a violence issue in the black community, I challenge you to walk through a heavily concentrated black community late at night. Say, Detroit, Philly, Cleavland or Camden or a bus ride home from school in Florida.

    Put your life where your mouth is, then refute what Jared is saying, I’m guessing you would be singing a different tune.

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  23. hawkgrrrl on August 9, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Will, MH should feel cautious about walking through any poverty ridden area regardless the races for the reasons we mentioned about the link between poverty and opportunistic crime. I witnessed similar issues in Spain as a missionary. This suggests race is not the driving factor. The real question is why some races have had less opportunity to take themselves out of poverty and how to rectify that. The south is prone to poverty among both blacks and whites. This seems related to the relative recency of the civil war and its ongoing effects on the economy of the south.

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  24. Hedgehog on August 9, 2013 at 8:06 AM

    There was what became a very high profile murder case in Britain 1993, that resulted in a public enquiry of the investigating police authority, and a change of police culture, following findings of institutional racism in the police, with consequences even now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Stephen_Lawrence

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  25. Jared on August 9, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    hawkgrrrl-

    There is no question that all races are adversely influenced by proverty. You mentioned your experience in Spain as a missionary. My experience in Korea was different, we could go anywhere without concern. So there must be more to criminal behavior than just proverty.

    I would premise that proverty alone doesn’t explain criminal behavior. The absence of faith in God and strong family more significant.

    My point is that it appears there is far more black on white crime than vice versa. If it is 39 times greater, then this is significant, and it is time both white and black leaders across our nation begin to make it part of the debate.

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  26. Howard on August 9, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    Black Neighbors, Higher Crime? The Role of Racial Stereotypes in Evaluations of Neighborhood Crime .pdf

    Research suggests that a primary reason whites avoid black neighbors is because of their perception that neighborhoods with more blacks have higher crime rates. Crime rates are positively correlated with the percentage of blacks in a neighborhood, so these perceptions are in part reflection of an objective reality. But our results suggest that whites (and Latinos) systematically overestimate the extent to which percentage black and neighborhood crime rates are associated; this association persists even when official crime rates are controlled.

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  27. Howard on August 9, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    After looking into this I think Charles Barkley’s comments to the extent that they are offered for non-black consumption are poorly informed because there has been a steep decline in black violent crime since the early 90s to about half of what it was and because this meme through supported by (now declining) fact has been so successful that it reached the point of exaggerating non-black perceptions beyond reality and serves no apparent useful purpose today other than stirring the pot of racial bias.

    To the extent his comments were offered for black consumption they may or may not still hold some ongoing value in helping change black attitudes and perceptions towards bring down violent crime rates. If so they should have been more isolated to that audience.

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  28. skeptical sympathizer on August 9, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    it’s undeniable that there are higher rates of crime associated with many black communities in America today. However, i don’t think anyone is saying that it’s because of race–that is, anything biological or genetic. it is a cultural thing–and just as there have been many Mormon cultural practices that have developed over the years that we are always quibbling about, not every individual within the culture is affected in the same way by that culture. And the culture varies from community to community. We are all individuals, but the culture one grows up in leaves its mark.

    So, the question is not really whether there are higher rates of criminal/violent activity within some black communities (although how much higher is a very debatable question), but why? What has contributed to this culture and what can be done to help? Poverty, marginalization, anger over past and current racial discrimination, and other factors all come into play.

    Trying to downplay the crime rates is understandable, because they feed the hatred and fear of a few very bigoted people. But i think what Charles Barkley says here is important because it is only when a community collectively tries to overcome its problems–taking responsibility where it needs to and avoiding the trap of always feeling victimized–that progress can be made.

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  29. Howard on August 9, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Could lead be the cause? New research finds Pb is the hidden villain behind violent crime, lower IQs, and even the ADHD epidemic. America’s Real Criminal Element: Lead

    Disclaimer: I know this site is a left-wing magazine, I am not indorsing or defending the site or arguing leftist politics. Please focus on the article’s content which is supported by links to research.

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  30. Mormon Heretic on August 9, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Will,

    If your so convinced (I am assuming you are white) there is not a violence issue in the black community…

    Now where did I ever say that???? No where have I advocated such a statement. I’m not sure where you misinterpreted that.

    As for walking through a dangerous community, I don’t need to go to Philadelphia or Detroit. In fact Will, I can show you some dangerous white communities right here in Salt Lake City. Perhaps we should meet up for lunch sometime so I can show you if you’re up to it. Email me at mormon heretic at gmail dot com and I’ll buy you lunch and give you a tour of the dangerous white communities here in your own back yard. Since you have a concealed carry, I suppose we’ll be just fine unless you go George Zimmerman and start chasing the suspicious individuals. (Utah is so white, that we don’t have dangerous black communities–they’re all dangerous white communities.)

    So as has been mentioned before, the danger can be blamed more on income (lack of it) than some biological factor that makes blacks more violent. And yes, Howard, I think you nailed it. Whites do overestimate the impact of black on white crime, and Jared continues to beat the drum.

    Jared, I have heard that China and Russia (during Communism) were exceedingly safe. The Communists were good at keeping crime low, but there are drawbacks to their societies too…. As democracy takes hold, crime does tend to rise because we don’t rely on authoritarian regimes to keep us safe. The Patriot Act keeps us safe too, but as Edward Snowden shows, should we trade safety for liberty? But I digress…..

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  31. Jeff Spector on August 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Charles Barkley is entitled to his opinion based on his own life experiences. He might have insights others of us don’t have. or maybe not.

    Crime is color blind and comes bundled with a whole lot of factors. Not a single one. Poverty does not, by itself, beget crime any more than the overwhelm greed of some of the rich does either. Crime tends to be opportunistic, even if it’s planned. No one thinks they’ll get caught and there is usual an excuse attached to it.

    When the right number of factors stack up, including personal choice, then a crime is attempted. It may be that those factors are higher in different communities.

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  32. Heber13 on August 9, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    Sometimes crime is exactly race driven. But more often money and power driven. Sometimes it has nothing to do with race, and therefore large brushes fail to describe reality. I think MH’s statistics support that if you just focus on race, you’re not focusing on the bigger picture. That doesn’t make race a non-issue or make race THE issue.

    Charles Barkley gets quoted because he tries to be bold against some rhetoric being put out there. It doesn’t mean he is wise, or right, just making a contrarian point. It is his opinion.

    Christ taught his disciples to give up everything and follow him, and to go with no purse or script. It didn’t turn those disciples into criminals.

    Barkley: “We as black people don’t have respect for each other. ”

    I like Barkley’s point to ask for more respect. I don’t agree with everything he said, but I like a call for more respect.

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  33. Aaron on August 11, 2013 at 5:15 AM

    What exactly motivated you to put Barkley on your blog? It makes you appear surprised that a black person would decry black-on-black crime. In short, it makes you appear naïve and uninformed, since blacks of all stations in life have been talking about this for years. One of our local black TV news anchors has been talking about this for at least 30 years. That said, no amount of black-on-black crime will ever make white-on-black discrimination and profiling acceptable.

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  34. Douglas on August 11, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Thank you Aaron! I recall some twenty-odd years ago, in the wake of the Rodney King affair, the Reverund Jackson reiterating a quote of MLK’s compatriot Rev. Ralph Abernathy…”our greatest threat is not a white man WEARING a hood, but a young black man, who IS a hood, FROM the hood.” Mr. Barkeley’s statements fairly much reiterate this concept. Andrew, your citation of Jared’s sources since some supposed racist group cites them as bogus is off-base; the figures are from the USDOJ. They are unequivocal in this: violent crime is stastically far more prevalent in the black community than the rest of America, both as perpetrators and victims. The causes I’m less definitive on, be they biological, cultural, economic, or familial, or unfortunate combination thereof. I suspect there are as many causes as perps. However, the ultimate solution to treat the cause(s), to change the hearts of men, is no respecter of race and would not by definition do blacks any less good than the rest. If anyone has an anecdote of something to the effect of “from Gangbanging to the Gospel”, I’d like to hear it.

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  35. Douglas on August 11, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Thanks, MH, but what I had in mind was a “homie” finding a home in the Church. No doubt it’s happened, but that’s a faith-promoting story I haven’t been blessed to read of yet. Certainly there have been crooks, cons, dope fiends, and other assorted crumb bums that have found the Gospel and turned their lives around. A gangbanger who’s now contending earnestly for the faith…now that’s a “tale from the hood” I could hear.

    I had an opportunity to see Gladys Knight (she was at a nearby Indian Casino’s amphitheatre this weekend past). Not that SHE had anything but an exemplary life and a well-storied career before finding the Gospel, of course, but she has at times kidding GA’s that we need to “loosen up” and “find our groove” (or something to that effect).

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  36. Howard on August 13, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Correlation is not proof of causation but crime studies between neighborhoods, cities, states and nations show very high correlation between crime and tetraethyl lead with crime peaking some 20 years after the peak in tetraethyl lead. Since African Americans have been subjected to higher average levels of lead poisoning than white Americans. One study, published in 1986, found that 18% of white children but 52% of black children in the US had over 20 milligrammes per decilitre of lead in their blood; another found that, between 1976 and 1980, black infants were eight times more likely to be carrying the horrendous load of 40mg/dl. It appears lead poisoning accounts for the higher crime rates in black communities.

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  37. Tessa Musa on February 25, 2014 at 3:35 PM

    The reason there is disproportionately high black crime is because it is reported more than white crime. Mr Barkley is a bigoted man filled with self hate and as such would never see any positivity in the black community.

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