MD Podcast – Elder Oaks and his April 2014 talk

by: Bill Reel

July 20, 2014

A-U-T-H-O-R-I-T-Y! Find out what it means to Oaks!

Wheat & Tares welcomes guest poster Bill Reel once more for a discussion about E. Oaks’ recent talk on Priesthood authority.

Mormon Discussion Podcast takes a closer look at Elder Oaks April 2014 Conference talk and suggests there may be more given by Elder Oaks than some first thought

In the April 2014 conference Elder Oaks addressed the brethren and sisters in the Priesthood session and seem to be talking directly to the “Ordain Women” group.  Many took his address to be a little Snarky and to be using his authority to put them in their place.

I think there is more to this talk than many first acknowledged.  As a whole there is way more to celebrate than to be upset over in my opinion.  Elder Oaks make great effort to acknowledge that we have likely not defined Priesthood correctly within our culture and did much to move the conversation forward.

Does Elder Oaks acknowledging of one exception leave room for future other exceptions?

Does this talk open the discussion to talk about how sister performed ordinances in early Church history?

Are callings like Elder’s Quorum president and Deacon’s Quroum President as much an appendage to the Priesthood as Relief Society President and Primary President?

If sisters operate under Priesthood Power and Authority, is it possible that other people outside our faith operate with Priesthood power and Authority?

Speaking of this last question and talking about appendages and auxillaries in the Church consider this quote by former apostle and member of the First Presidency

“Perhaps the Lord needs such men on the outside of His Church to help it along,” said the late Elder Orson F. Whitney of the Quorum of the Twelve. “They are among its auxiliaries, and can do more good for the cause where the Lord has placed them, than anywhere else…. Hence, some are drawn into the fold and receive a testimony of the truth; while others remain unconverted … the beauties and glories of the gospel being veiled temporarily from their view, for a wise purpose. The Lord will open their eyes in His own due time. God is using more than one people for the accomplishment of His great and marvelous work. The Latter-day Saints cannot do it all. It is too vast, too arduous for any one people…. We have no quarrel with the Gentiles. They are our partners in a certain sense” (Conference Report, April 1928, p.59). (“Civic Standards For the Faithful Saints,” Ensign, July 1972, p.59)

The podcast episode is found here

Bill Reel is the host of Mormon Discussion Podcast.  The podcast tries to deal with the tough issues forthrightly while “leading with faith”.

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7 Responses to MD Podcast – Elder Oaks and his April 2014 talk

  1. Howard on July 20, 2014 at 8:09 AM

    The podcast is very well done.

    I think when you sift all of this highly detailed and legalized vagueness one arrives with this summary; women may participate as directed by men in certain settings (particularly when they are unclothed) but generally (there are a few low level minor exceptions) women do not (and will not?) direct men.

    Has there been progress? Yes, of course and that progress roughly correlates with the intensity of agitation. Ironically the progress accrues generally more to privileged women then marginalized women There is no evidence the brethren have sought or are seeking or are even interested in seeking new revelation on this matter. Instead the broader evidence suggests a status quo defense against female ordination served up with a couple of minor bones of placation tossed toward those not seeking them, behavioral modification aimed at further marginalizing and silencing the marginalized. What this says is that women’s voices are NOT welcomed in general church governess but due to growing agitation will be tolerated *as if* they are welcome at the local level.

    This is clearly gender bias, the only remaining question is who’s bias, God’s or the brethren’s. Based on personal revelation and observation I’m betting it’s the 1950s brethren. If you’re 70, 80 or 90 and you’ve been married for 50, 60 to 70 years to a docile Molly Mormon mother of 5 or 6 what would lead you to believe women have anything of importance to share with the entire church?

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  2. Ellie on July 20, 2014 at 1:49 PM

    Amen, Howard.

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  3. Alo on July 20, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    Maybe someone can answer this for me. Aren’t the deacons given “permission”to pass the sacrament under the priest who actually holds the key, wouldn’t that therefore mean, the task could just as easily be delegated to the beehives?

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  4. All_Blacks on July 20, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    No, deacons quorum president has those keys and organises the other deacons. However the bishop heads all the aaronic priesthood -and Bishop means president of the Priest quorum- so he really controls everything.
    but the keys relate to supervision and leadership. the passing of the sacrament requires ordination to the aaronic priesthood. So you couldn’t just delegate passing to the beehives since they would first require ordination to the aaronic priesthood. Same reason why you couldn’t just delegate to a non-ordained 11 year old boy.

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  5. Howard on July 20, 2014 at 10:36 PM

    Beehives are only authorized to pass the sacrament to the person next to them. When it goes beyond that they are asked to turn in their temple recommend.

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  6. The Other Clark on July 21, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    “Administering” the sacrament requires priesthood, which has been interpreted to mean blessing it. The fact that we require the Aaronic priesthood to bless and pass the emblems is strictly cultural, and was acknowledged as such by HJ Grant

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  7. Howard on July 21, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    #6 Well, this is exactly why we need an attorney apostle of Elder Oaks’ stature to help parse and explain these Godly distinctions between administering, preparing, blessing, passing the sacrament vs simply passing it down your pew and how a Y chromosome is metaphysically a necessary and essential component of the mortal to spiritual connection so as not to offend God.

    My though is that XX chromosome in momentary contact with the tray causes only minor coodie contamination that can be offset upon reaching a male hand again after a minor delay but should females actually be allowed to substitute for Deacons enough contamination might accumulate to invalidate the ritual leaving some members with unresolved sins.

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