Heavenly Mother, Are You Really There? Saturday Poll

By: wheatmeister
April 14, 2012

Why don't we talk about Heavenly Mother more at church? (choose all that apply)

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35 Responses to Heavenly Mother, Are You Really There? Saturday Poll

  1. Arbitron on April 14, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    Or perhaps we have a gay couple for the godhead, and that is what is being hidden from us?

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  2. Bonniey on April 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    Because the church as a constantly changing organization has a lot of history and a lot of diversity and not everyone is on the same page. (We trim out the dead branches a little at a time.) So rather than rock the boat, we say much less on every subject than we could. That could be a bad thing, or an exceptionally good way of separating the searchers from the floaters, and those who would, publicly at least, sacrifice their own eminence for God’s and trust him that he’ll work it out. He’s as mysterious as she is.

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  3. Stephen M (Ethesis) on April 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Bonniey — that was well said.

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  4. Lucy on April 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    Because then there would be no reason for a bloggernacle.

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  5. Mark D. on April 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Perhaps the Eternal Father includes both heavenly fathers and heavenly mothers. Or we have more than one of each.

    “Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end.” (D&C 20:28)

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  6. hawkgrrrl on April 14, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    Interestingly, the role of Mary Mother of God has been stepped up so much in Catholicism that Heavenly Mother (our version) was much further down the list than I expected when I searched. And yet I do believe a big reason for her being deemphasized is so that we don’t freak people out who will think we are goddess worshipping hippies.

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  7. Larrin on April 14, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    I remember reading a good blog or article about our avoidance of talking about Heavenly Mother, anybody know of any?

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  8. mh on April 14, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    there was an article in byu studies about a year ago on heavenly mother. I am sure that several people blogged about it. I discussed it briefly during last year’s report on sunstone.

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  9. Bob on April 14, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    #6: Hawkgirrrl,
    “yet I do believe a big reason for her being deemphasized is so that we don’t freak people out who will think we are goddess worshipping hippies”
    Is this the same reason for between say 1832-1932?
    Mormons talk about a Heavenly Mother today than they ever did before. It’s a modern thing.

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  10. Roger on April 14, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    Because She is the Holy Ghost?

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  11. prometheus on April 14, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    I had to choose all of the answers, because I have heard all of them expressed at one time or another. Most of them seem to me to be based on fear – of saying the wrong thing, of being mocked, of the unknown, which is kind of sad.

    My belief in Her is as strong as my belief in Father, and I find Her absence at church very jarring when compared to my personal worship.

    As much as I love interfaith dialogue and cooperation, I think that we risk losing some plain and precious truths by trying to imitate mainstream Christianity, and I believe that this is one of them.

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  12. Zara on April 14, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    Because we don’t know anything about her.

    I used to buy what they told us–that she’s too sacred and we wouldn’t want people to tarnish her name like they do with God. But I think that’s ridiculous. If I were a goddess, watching my children murder each other and other horrible, painful things, I would most definitely be able to handle a little namecalling or snark directed at me. After all, wouldn’t HM have an eternal perspective, and know the thoughts and intentions of her children?

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  13. FireTag on April 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM

    I think the Nauvoo developments that gave rise to the eternal family in exclusively human terms had this implication of Heavenly Mother lurking in the theology that a male-dominated culture hadn’t realized, wasn’t ready to accept, and then couldn’t undo without tearing out a LOT of theological foundations.

    God is GREATER than gender. Intelligences are not limited to human form or ways of being, IMO. God can incorporate aspects of masculinity, femininity, and maybe even hive intelligences as necessary.

    Lineage matters a lot, but I don’t think it’s in that sense.

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  14. Howard on April 14, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    God is GREATER than gender. Intelligences are not limited to human form or ways of being, IMO. God can incorporate aspects of masculinity, femininity, and maybe even hive intelligences as necessary. This makes too much sense! Well said.

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  15. Roger on April 15, 2012 at 8:25 AM

    Thinking about this. The message of the gospel is the atonement Jesus died for our sins, taking them upon himself and defeating the grave. As fascinating as all other speculation may be, I’m still trying to get my mind around those basic concepts.

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  16. Henry on April 15, 2012 at 9:38 AM

    God is GREATER than gender.
    Wrong. Gender is eternal. Else why would we refer to God as God the Father and the Son?

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  17. FireTag on April 15, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    “Else why would we refer to God as God the Father and the Son?”

    Hmmm. Because our religion descends predominantly through a male dominated culture? Because God wouldn’t incarnate in a female body in such cultures if she wanted to actually convince people to follow instead of just making an empty point? Because burning bushes lack mobility to travel to Jerusalem? Take your pick.

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  18. Bob on April 15, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    #17; FireTag,
    Funny, the lack of mobility to travel to Jerusalem by a burning bush came up at the poker game last week. :)
    But on “male dominated culture”, when you study the Mormon Village of the first generation of Mormon settlers, you find the women ruled the home. The men were gone for 3 or 4 days a week to the out-of-town farms, so the ladies made the calls. They even TOLD the men what and how of each item was to be grown on the farm so the women could maintain the household.

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  19. NewlyHousewife on April 15, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Bob, I don’t see how writing a grocery list and giving it to my husband to get (and then organizing the kitchen to my favor) is any different than telling my husband where to plant the corn.

    But to the original OP, I was taught in SS it was because he was a polygamist and we didn’t know much about her because there were too many hers. Also something about how those of different races had a different HM, but we’re all of the same HF. And something about how mixing the genetics of two different HMs (basically interracial marriage) was asking for trouble.

    So glad I threw that out once I walked out the classroom door.

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  20. Bob on April 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    #19:NewlyHousewife,
    In the second Generation, The Mormon Farmers begin to plant ‘Cash’ crops. When this happened, the Men started to bring the cash home and TELL the women how it was to be spent. With control of the cash, men once again were in control of the home.

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  21. NewlyHousewife on April 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM

    Ah, thank you Bob it makes a lot more sense now.

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  22. hawkgrrrl on April 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    Newly – wowzers. What a ward you lived in!

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  23. NewlyHousewife on April 15, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    hawkgrrrl, oops seems I didn’t clarify–this was a ward I grew up in. Since then I’ve moved to new craziness.

    But still the folklore does explain the reason why interracial marriage is still included in the YM manuals. Can’t have different HM’s genetic code messed up with.

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  24. NewlyHousewife on April 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    (Though I personally file it under person preference/racist tendencies)

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  25. Roger on April 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    Newly is not the only one to have heard that. When our repentance papers get processed, they will need a special category for malarkey that we were taught or repeated ourselves as we were teaching.

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  26. wilt on April 16, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    I checked; …men are in charge of the church; we don’t know anything about her [again, due to men being in charge of the church and our sadly myopic view of transcendant reality]; and finally, we are afraid of looking weird or heretical.

    As a male, I’m irritated by various things – but look forward to further light and knowledge about HM – about the divine feminine in the gospel as a whole – and full availability/bestowal of the Priesthood regardless of where the plumbing is located on our earthly shells.

    wilt

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  27. meems on April 16, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    I think it’s equally that we don’t know much, if anything, about Her, but also because we don’t want to look like pagans. It would completely distance people before they even gave us a chance.

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  28. Bradley on April 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    I think HM is what Terence McKenna tapped into at La Chorrera. The Church wouldn’t touch that with a pole that wrapped around the Earth.

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  29. hawkgrrrl on April 17, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    I’m kind of surprised that so many – 16% currently – think God is a polygamist. I sure hope not.

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  30. Roger on April 17, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    Hawkgrrl.

    As someone growing increasingly jaded, I’m surprised it is only 16%. I felt almost called back into the fold a few weeks ago after reading Margaret Blair Young’s homily on the BOM’s messages on the need for righteous living and Christ’s mission. And then I read some of what is being repeated here and I almost feel that this is “another gospel” of which Paul warned us.

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  31. Peter Ventura on April 17, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    Joseph Smith never commented on the topic. Does it matter? Does it change anything whether we talk of things or not?
    There are a zillion things that are interesting but only a few are important.
    God has blue eyes and wooley hair . . . makes the Scandinavians and those of African descent both happy but . . . it doesn’t matter.

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  32. Martin on April 17, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    How about “she’s not in the scriptures, there are no reports of her ever appearing to anyone, so her existence is premised on human reasoning and speculation, and after all our other experiences with rank speculation in the church, we’re trying to moderate it”?

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  33. iamse7en on April 19, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    Because people don’t want to face the fact that their mother in heaven is Eve, the mother of all living:

    “I tell you, when you see your Father in the Heavens, you will see Adam; when you see your Mother that bore your spirit, you will see Mother Eve.” (Brigham Young, Manuscript Addresses, Oct. 8, 1854; The Essential Brigham Young, p. 99)

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  34. Roger on April 19, 2012 at 10:40 AM

    More evidence that Brother Brigham clearly overdrive his headlights.

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  35. Peter Ventura on April 19, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    #33
    Doesn’t say Adam IS our father or that Eve Is our mother. Just as when Christ says if you have seen me you have seen the father.
    #34
    Not at all. Just a 21 century person trying to interpolate what someone from the 19 century said and completely out of context

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